DieHard Wolfers

[Martin]

CyClones? I can bet many of you didn't hear anything about this game.. It's a 3D shooter, but it looks more like Wolfenstein 3D than Doom or (haha) Quake - the maps are very simple. It is very unique because of very innovative moving system. The crosshair isn't just in the center of screen in this game. You can use your mouse to move it! It's pretty hard to get into it, but it's very funny. Graphics, storyline and gameplay are just medium, but there are some cool sounds and musics. There are also some movies in it (I don't know what about Internet version - I had a CD edition borrowed from a friend).

It was produced by SSI. Requires 486DX/33 and 4 MB RAM. It was released on CDs only, and it's available on Underdogs (http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=1480)

Has anyone played it? It's a very nice experiment, and the game is really interesting (but hard).

Martin

p.s. I'm not sure about the engine.. so I don't know is it a good section.



EDIT: The Underdogs version is a cd-rip, so it doesn't have any movies.. a shame.

[Mishran]

I had that game, I thought it was a good game. Bought the CD version at Wal-Mart back when it was $15.00. I actually remember there was a small catalog of games that came in the box that mentioned a floppy version as well. Really good game, wish I still had it. Oh, well.

[Ringman]

I played the game awhile back, the first part of the first level was cool, but after that it kind of got blaze.

[Mikey X]

Never even heard of CyClones, the screenshot looks pretty cool though.

[Guest]

Martin wrote:

CyClones? I can bet many of you didn't hear anything about this game.. It's a 3D shooter, but it looks more like Wolfenstein 3D than Doom or (haha) Quake - the maps are very simple. It is very unique because of very innovative moving system. The crosshair isn't just in the center of screen in this game. You can use your mouse to move it! It's pretty hard to get into it, but it's very funny. Graphics, storyline and gameplay are just medium, but there are some cool sounds and musics. There are also some movies in it (I don't know what about Internet version - I had a CD edition borrowed from a friend).

It was produced by SSI. Requires 486DX/33 and 4 MB RAM. It was released on CDs only, and it's available on Underdogs (http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=1480)

Has anyone played it? It's a very nice experiment, and the game is really interesting (but hard).

Martin

p.s. I'm not sure about the engine.. so I don't know is it a good section.



EDIT: The Underdogs version is a cd-rip, so it doesn't have any movies.. a shame.

that game is for dos

[Arielus]

That is correct, the game was developed by Raven Software and published by Strategic Simulations, Inc. in the year 1996. It can be run under MS DOS mode, yes...

Now, why the tears?

Ariel.

[Hair Machine]

Arielus wrote:

That is correct, the game was developed by Raven Software and published by Strategic Simulations, Inc. in the year 1996. It can be run under MS DOS mode, yes...

Now, why the tears?

Here's my guess: THE EVIL WINDOWS XP!!! This game would probably run at an abysmal speed in Dosbox... Seriously, WinXP is now really beginning to tick me off. Even trying to play Wolfenstein 3d is painful... And that can run on a 286!!!!

[Arielus]

Well, you can always try another operative system. There ain't no need to get rid of Windows XP, if, as Hair Machine guesses, that's the one you're currently using... I haven't done this myself, but things can be set so that your computer can boot in any operative system you desire. Keeping Windows XP, a second option could be installed, like Windows '98, an MS DOS version, like the 6.22 one, or any other operative system you can think of, which makes things easier when it comes to play oldy games.

Again: I haven't done this myself, so I could help no further from here.

Ariel.

[experiencedgamer]

Hair Machine wrote:

Arielus wrote:

That is correct, the game was developed by Raven Software and published by Strategic Simulations, Inc. in the year 1996. It can be run under MS DOS mode, yes...

Now, why the tears?

Here's my guess: THE EVIL WINDOWS XP!!! This game would probably run at an abysmal speed in Dosbox... Seriously, WinXP is now really beginning to tick me off. Even trying to play Wolfenstein 3d is painful... And that can run on a 286!!!!

You're right. What a shame Win XP has no DOS.

[Guest]

I have win xp and up me other pc have I dos.

[Hair Machine]

Arielus wrote:

I haven't done this myself, but things can be set so that your computer can boot in any operative system you desire. Keeping Windows XP, a second option could be installed, like Windows '98, an MS DOS version, like the 6.22 one, or any other operative system you can think of, which makes things easier when it comes to play oldy games.

Yes, you are right. I've been looking into this, to install Windows 95 as a new OS. Here, WinXP reveals itself to be even crappier; it uses a different File Allocation Table to other Windows'. So you have to go through a whole mission of partitioning your hard disk into two drives, one that uses the WinXP FAT and one that runs under FAT32, which enables 32 bit Windows systems such as 95/98. Then, you have to download a boot selector so booting into your new OS is possible... Then install the older windows onto the new partition. However, the boot selector works by changing a vital file; which apparently can result in your computer REFUSING to boot up point blank. So I'm not going to do it unless I'm 101% sure I know what I'm doing...

If someone has any info on how to do this, it will be VERY MUCH APPRECIATED by me (and, I'm sure, others) if you could share it around... As Dave (Chadd? lol) said, I wish Microsoft had put Dos in WinXP. Those evil opressors of retro gamers!!

[experiencedgamer]

I guess Microsoft didn't know that we wolfers are still retro players.

EDIT: I'm another Win XP user too. Bet that Bill Gates got a lot of complaints about no DOS in XP.

[Martin]

Hmm.. That's interesting, Hair Machine..

I'm in making of a project, which will have FreeDos, Win 98 and Slackware Linux on one disk (only split to partitions). It's a hard way to go through, but it makes you more experienced.. You know what I'd try? Go to a friend which has '95, '98 or ME edition of Windows, ask him for a boot disk, and then run your computer from it.. I don't know is it going to work - I never used Windows XP, honestly.

[experiencedgamer]

Isn't DOSBox helpful?

[Hair Machine]

Oh yeah, DosBox is decent enough up to a point... But it runs very slowly on my PC, so when you start adding features that consume power (such as textures on the floor and ceiling) it begins to drag... a lot. That means no DooM, Hexen, Heretic, Blake Stone, etc.... Probably no CyClones, either. If you have a PC that runs at a fast speed, and can run things like UT2004 no problem, then DosBox is probably all you need. But my PC isn't that fast. I want real Dos!

Oh, BTW Martin, that boot disk idea was quite good, and gave me another plan! That is to get another (portable) hard disk and install my operating system onto this. This should mean that I can boot into it using a boot disk or boot selector without going into the partition minefield...

[Martin]

You may also try FreeDos.. I think it can be installed as a system on a 3,5 disk and it's fully bootable then. Check out www.freedos.org.

[Kuki]

Quote:

I'm in making of a project, which will have FreeDos, Win 98 and Slackware Linux on one disk (only split to partitions). It's a hard way to go through, but it makes you more experienced..

It's really not that hard, maybe just a bit at the first time

I have no experience with FreeDos on it's own partition, just running under DOSemu, but I suppose it should work in a simliar way to MS-DOS, just a bit better. Well, tell me when you finish your project how do you like it.

BTW is your Win98 an illegal copy?

Kuki

[Martin]

Sure thing...

I had to change the hard drive because I couldn't even set MS-Dos extended partition so I can install FreeDos in it - I believe it's all about the virus that was on that disk before formatting. I got a new one, and I'm going to make partitions today.

[Hair Machine]

Hahaha... Just be careful Martin... Just yesterday I was trying to partition my drive into two, to get Win 98 on one part and Win XP on the other. DISASTER! I wiped my entire hard drive (stupidly I made no backups )
And I still didn't get the dual boot to work! Still, one odd upshot of all this is that now Dos works, (albeit to a limited level), on my computer!! Wierd stuff.... But I'm not complaining too hard... *chucks the floppy containing DosBox in the bin*

Gotta rewrite half my source code, though. Damn.

[Guest]

I am don't instal DOS.

[Guest]

wolfenstein3d fan wrote:

I am don't instal DOS.

Ahhhhh bad english

DOS i don't need it.

[Guest]

How can anyone actually say the Cyclones engine and the Wolf3d engine are (almost) similar? It's true, the levels are a bit... simple. But it still is superior to the much older Wolf3d engine in probably every aspect one could think of.

[off topic]I'm completely with Martin: FreeDos is a great OS. Especially since it supports FAT-32 partitions. If anybody wants to play some old games, just get FreeDos and install it as a secondary OS.[/off topic]