DieHard Wolfers

[Xarkon]

Im not sure if any one has done it, but is there any tutorials available for any thrown objects??

Im not talking about rocket launchers or anything, I want "THROWN" objects.
Grenades, Molatov Cocktails, Stones, things that kill or explode and hit the ground.
I dunno, is tere any available??

Joel Corrigan

[Zero X. Diamond]

Well, I'm pretty stupid when it comes to the source, but I think this might work.

Just make a projectile using sprites that make it look like it's travelling and falling, and simply just end the cycle. I mean, this just came to me, and I don't really know how to explain it. I hope this makes sense.

[Guest]

grenades are close to impossible. i tried it, but it involved complicated redirecting and precise angles, even then it stilll went haywire i dont think its possible. yeah, if you just create a series of states, then make it blow up(end state), have the damage radius and your good!

[TheTalentedMrLeo]

Check out the Duke Nukem 3d source code, search for the pipe bomb parameters. That might give a hint on how to make throwable grenades, moltov cocktails, etc.

[Merthsoft]

Ian-Skevos Jones made BatMan, Wrath of Freeze (Or something like that) and it had a smoke grenade thing that was pretty neat.

[WSJ]

For Batman's smoke grenades, Ian and I just did the same kind of thing that Zero X and Zeta mentioned -- we created a projectile with a bunch of frames of the grenade going into the air, falling, bouncing, and then blowing up.

[Merthsoft]

Well, that's neat, that is a pretty good idea... I'll get into programming a bit more when I fix my computer with the right harddrive, and I'll work on cool stuff... Believe it or not (I don't really care if you do or not) but I was making silenced wepaons, new ammo type and weapons that use them, armor, and the ability to pick up a suit and become invisible to guards before I saw (or at least looked at) any tutorials, So I might be able to get it someday... (I sent the code for a silenced weapon to poet because I had questions about it, and fixed it myself, and showed him the editted version, and then a tutorial went up on the site... it made me mad...) Okay, off topic, oh well... I'll look into making grenades sometime...

[Chris]

Merthsoft wrote:

Believe it or not (I don't really care if you do or not) but I was making silenced wepaons, new ammo type and weapons that use them, armor, and the ability to pick up a suit and become invisible to guards before I saw (or at least looked at) any tutorials.

Yay... someone who actually does stuff by themselves! Now all we need is someone can do this without feeling inclined to point out all their achievements. Don't get me wrong, I did sort of enjoy reading about all this though.

Merthsoft wrote:

and showed him the editted version, and then a tutorial went up on the site... it made me mad...

I guess this can be interpreted atleast 3 ways. Are you mad because he stole your code (and either claimed it as his own, or posted it without your permission), because he posted the answers to something you thought was funner as a secret (so people would have to figure it out on their own, like you did), or because it would have been easier if he posted the tutorial BEFORE you did all that work?

If you picked answer #1, Poet must die! I'll do the job for $5000...
If you picked answer #2, you are Mr. Magoo (he is COOL, ask Hair Machine!).
If you picked answer #3, an army of fat people will eat your parents.

You know, I've never went to Poet's site... and don't think I ever will. For me, coding tutorials are only cool to look at once you've already figured the secrets out yourself, and are interested in seeing what similarities and/or difference their "interpretation" had to yours. But that's just me, everyone is different. I'd probably never create a Coding Tutorial site, just to avoid the evil Poet-esque things you described.

[Poet]

Somebody just made me aware of this topic.... so I've decided to answer.

My tutorial on silenced weapons was up long before somebody (must have been Merthsoft) told me that it lacked something.
I took a look at the tutorial and fixed it. It turned out to be just a minor detail I knew about, but had forgotten to put into the tutorial.
But I thanked him for mentioning it.

Chris, if you did visit my site you would notice it is a lot more than a coding site.
I have also posted my ideas, tips and theories on level design, in fact I remember the two of us discussing level design in emails a few years ago, and more recently here at this forum.

I have also made several sets of my own which I think I can say are very original both in design, concept and features.
Check them out (I believe you once said you planned to do so )

Poet.

[Chris]

Nice. I was hoping that this topic would get you to post again Poet! lol.

Yup, like you said - I've been to some of the sections of your site; and they were definately interesting. Sorry, I should have been more specific (the link to "Poet's Coding Tutorials" seems to pop up on alot of pages, so I've always just considered it popular enough to stand on it's own). We did have some cool conversations in the past, that's for sure!

If you liked this thread, you should check out the one below. Apparently there's quite a few people here who think that your game is the hardest addon ever:

http://diehardwolfers.areyep.com/viewtopic.php?t=1528&start=12

Would be neat to actually see a thread about one of your games in the U-Rate-It section one day, just to hear some of the unique comments people would notice about it. I'm the worst at getting into addons - especially the long, serious ones; but I'm opening The Tower again right now. Let's see how commited I can be towards your journey this time...

[Codetech84]

I'll toss a few ideas on the grenade issues shortly, it will be in pseudo-code, but will be quite helpfull. I just have to refresh my memory on wolf code... Boy, I haven't read that for a while...

[Merthsoft]

Quote:

My tutorial on silenced weapons was up long before somebody (must have been Merthsoft) told me that it lacked something.

Well, all I know is that it wasn't up before, and then when I sent the code, it was up a bit latter... Maybe it was someone else, who knows, It was just aggrivating, and now this is off topic, so let's not worry about it... I worked a bit more (because I fixed my computer) but I didn't get anywhere, and then it died again... so I'll keep trying...

[Raistlin]

Hmmmmm....

I did'nt know you still did wolf stuff, poet!!!!!

a friend had said something about how u were quitting,
or taking down ur page or something.....

Anyway, I almost fell off my chair when I saw
ur post!!!!!

[Poet]

Hi Shaun.

The only time anyone mailed me anything about silent weapons it was about the DamageActor function point.
Both my silent gun tutorial and my silent knife tutorial were up at that time.
The point in question was already mentioned in my silent knife tutorial but left out in my silent gun tutorial.
Thanks to the mail I received, (from you I take it), I corrected the silent gun tutorial. Again thank you!
For details check out both:

http://home.online.no/~p-olstad/wolfenstein/nonoiseknife.html

http://home.online.no/~p-olstad/wolfenstein/nonoisepistol.html

Hello Raistlin.
I have no intention of closing down my site, though I have little time for Wolf3D these days.

Chris, I hope you enjoy The Tower.
To everybody who finds it difficult, especially to avoid becoming stuck, check out the Tower Hint manual and always leave a save at the beginning of the level you are currently on.

Now, to be on topic at last. About grenades...
Check system time (timer function; see time.h for the proper function to use) the moment the grenade is fired, and repeatedly until the timer limit you set runs out or the grenade hits something.
For the rest use my missile launcher - and exploding rockets tutorials, and add sprites that are falling to the ground, like Zero X. Diamond suggested earlier.

Poet.

[TexZK]

it isn't so hard to do! like any other moving projectile... nothing more! (take a look on the T_Fire() function: you can use it to make your grenades!)

[Merthsoft]

Quote:

The only time anyone mailed me anything about silent weapons it was about the DamageActor function point.
Both my silent gun tutorial and my silent knife tutorial were up at that time.
The point in question was already mentioned in my silent knife tutorial but left out in my silent gun tutorial.
Thanks to the mail I received, (from you I take it), I corrected the silent gun tutorial. Again thank you!

Well, maybe that was it then... hmm, oh well, once again, it's not that big of a deal, and it is good to hear from you again, because I know you have helped me before, with silenced guns (my memory must be bad, which is why I forgot the specifics) and also with picking up clothes to make yourself "invisible"...

[Codetech84]

Can't be that hard here's how it should work:

::: CODE :::

while( GrenadeMoves() )
{
   // Reduce timer and maximum bounce
   bounce_max--; timer--;

   // Bounce it up and down!
   if( grenade_h > bounce_max) grenade_dir = 0;
   else if( grenade_h > 0 ) grenade_dir = 1;
   if( !grenade_dir ) grenade_h--;
   else if( grenade_dir ) grenade_h++;
     
   // Flip dir vertically when it hits a vertical wall
   if ( GrenadeHitsVertWall() )   GreandeFlipVertical();
   
   // Flip dir horizontally when it hits horizontal wall
   if ( GrenadeHitsHorizWall() )  GreandeFlipHorizontal();
 
   // Blow it up when timer reaches zero
   if( !timer ) GrenadeExplode();
}

Am I right?

Edit: Ofcourse that up/down bounce would look ugly without actual gravity implementation (Acceleration)...

[RichterBelmont12]