DieHard Wolfers Forum Index DieHard Wolfers
A Wolfenstein 3d Fan Community


  Hosted by: MCS & Areyep.com - Designed by: BrotherTank

Original Yahoo Forum - Die Hard Archives

AReyeP HomepageAreyep Homepage DieHard Wolfenstein BunkerDieHard Wolfenstein Bunker Log inLog in RegisterRegister Banlist FAQFAQ Search ForumsSearch

  Username:    Password:      Remember me       

My feelings about Spear of Destiny...
Page 2 of 2 Goto page Previous  1, 2
DieHard Wolfers Forum Index -> Spear of Destiny View Previous TopicRefresh this PageAdd Topic to your Browser FavoritesSearch ForumsPrint this TopicE-mail TopicGoto Page BottomView Next Topic
Post new topicReply to topic
Author Message
Chris
DieHard Wolfer
DieHard Wolfer


Joined: 11 Mar 2003
Last Visit: 17 Dec 2017

Topics: 55
Posts: 2116
Location: Canada
blank.gif

PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 3:41 pm
   Subject: Re: My feelings about Spear of Destiny...
   [ IP : Logged ]
Reply with quote
Goto Top of PostsGoto Next PostGoto Bottom of Posts

How do you guys beat Level 18? In the hintbook, it says to run past the Death Knight to the back hallway on the left I think (where there's one less mutant) so you're not cornered in. I think that makes sense, as staying in the Elevator room area you'll be hounded by the enemies and lose ammo/health quickly. Always thought that level seemed unfair until I found out about that.
Military
DieHard Guard
DieHard Guard


Joined: 10 Oct 2015
Last Visit: 26 Oct 2017

Topics: 20
Posts: 297

blank.gif

PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:52 am
   Subject: Re: My feelings about Spear of Destiny...
   [ IP : Logged ]
Reply with quote
Goto Top of PostsGoto Previous PostGoto Next PostGoto Bottom of Posts

The Spear of Destiny hell levels may also be inferior because you retain your keys from the previous level. Which in a normal spear mapset, means at least one key. And even if floor 18 had no keys, you'll always receive the golden key if you start from scratch anyway.

This actually just gave me an interesting vanilla mod idea. Make the floor 18 with no keys (or just the silver key), and start the floor 21 with a room that contains a ghost, and the only exit locked with the gold key. This would force the player to die and restart from pistol start (as only then would they respawn with the gold key), offering more challenge despite the level being so late in the game. You could also add a 1up or some crowns by the end of floor 18 to ensure the player actually has an extra life to spare.

As a variation of this, instead of the golden door you could just add no exit whatsoever, but the respawn location (which is the player start) could be completely different from the place the spear throws you in.
fraggeur
DieHard Guard
DieHard Guard


Joined: 31 Dec 2012
Last Visit: 6:20 ago.

Topics: 11
Posts: 259

blank.gif

PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 1:06 pm
   Subject: Re: My feelings about Spear of Destiny...
   [ IP : Logged ]
Reply with quote
Goto Top of PostsGoto Previous PostGoto Next PostGoto Bottom of Posts

Those are smart ideas Smile but it assumes dying is a necessary thing, what annoys me a little bit conceptually.
Chris
DieHard Wolfer
DieHard Wolfer


Joined: 11 Mar 2003
Last Visit: 17 Dec 2017

Topics: 55
Posts: 2116
Location: Canada
blank.gif

PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 2:16 pm
   Subject: Re: My feelings about Spear of Destiny...
   [ IP : Logged ]
Reply with quote
Goto Top of PostsGoto Previous PostGoto Next PostGoto Bottom of Posts

fraggeur wrote:
Those are smart ideas Smile but it assumes dying is a necessary thing, what annoys me a little bit conceptually.

Like the end of Doom Episode 1. I remember pressing IDDQD repeatedly and killing all the monsters. I wonder if you can IDSPISPOPD out of there afterwards and escape certain death.
AlumiuN
DieHard Wolfer
DieHard Wolfer


Joined: 29 Nov 2007
Last Visit: 1:21 ago.

Topics: 37
Posts: 2401
Location: Christchurch, New Zealand
newzealand.gif

PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 2:34 pm
   Subject: Re: My feelings about Spear of Destiny...
   [ IP : Logged ]
Reply with quote
Goto Top of PostsGoto Previous PostGoto Next PostGoto Bottom of Posts

IIRC the player gets the gold key when they travel to level 21 anyway.
Tricob
Moderator
<B>Moderator</B>


Joined: 14 Mar 2005
Last Visit: 8:47 ago.

Topics: 160
Posts: 8011
Location: Neo-traditions, Inc.
usa.gif

PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:13 pm
   Subject: Re: My feelings about Spear of Destiny...
   [ IP : Logged ]
Reply with quote
Goto Top of PostsGoto Previous PostGoto Next PostGoto Bottom of Posts

I'd say just have the code rob you of the keys when the level starts, just like all the other levels do. Allowing the player to live when he's transported *then* forcing him to die afterwards doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
Cyanosis
DieHard Officer
DieHard Officer


Joined: 07 Aug 2014
Last Visit: 11 Dec 2017

Topics: 34
Posts: 510
Location: Newport, Oregon
usa.gif

PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:35 pm
   Subject: Re: My feelings about Spear of Destiny...
   [ IP : Logged ]
Reply with quote
Goto Top of PostsGoto Previous PostGoto Next PostGoto Bottom of Posts

Maybe he'd 'die' during the transition to the other dimension, at least forcing him to regather his weapons.
AlumiuN
DieHard Wolfer
DieHard Wolfer


Joined: 29 Nov 2007
Last Visit: 1:21 ago.

Topics: 37
Posts: 2401
Location: Christchurch, New Zealand
newzealand.gif

PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 4:06 pm
   Subject: Re: My feelings about Spear of Destiny...
   [ IP : Logged ]
Reply with quote
Goto Top of PostsGoto Previous PostGoto Next PostGoto Bottom of Posts

I mean, it's incredibly easy to change that in the code, but:

Military wrote:
an interesting vanilla mod idea


rather disqualifies that Razz
Chris
DieHard Wolfer
DieHard Wolfer


Joined: 11 Mar 2003
Last Visit: 17 Dec 2017

Topics: 55
Posts: 2116
Location: Canada
blank.gif

PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 5:36 pm
   Subject: Re: My feelings about Spear of Destiny...
   [ IP : Logged ]
Reply with quote
Goto Top of PostsGoto Previous PostGoto Bottom of Posts

AlumiuN wrote:
IIRC the player gets the gold key when they travel to level 21 anyway.

I thought so too until I tried it (after watching Cyanosis's video). If you grab the Spear without having the key, it does not appear on the Hell level. You can't use an elevator to go from 18 or 20 to 21 either. So I guess you have to die to get it or warp there.
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topicReply to topic Time synchronized with the forum server time
DieHard Wolfers Forum Index -> Spear of Destiny View Previous TopicRefresh this PageAdd Topic to your Browser FavoritesSearch ForumsPrint this TopicE-mail TopicGoto Page TopView Next Topic
Page 2 of 2 Goto page Previous  1, 2
Jump to:  

Related topics
 Topics   Replies   Views   Last Post 
No new posts Lost episodes
Author: UberMutant
105 15376 Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:07 pm
stathmk View latest post
No new posts episodes two and three, i cant get them!
Author: Guest
7 187 Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:06 pm
stathmk View latest post
No new posts What is your favorite level from Spear of Destiny?
Author: Chris
43 14326 Fri Jun 10, 2011 10:53 am
Hellblazer View latest post
No new posts Secret Level 2 : Floor 20
Author: ZuljinRaynor
17 5298 Wed Oct 20, 2004 10:02 am
Otto View latest post
No new posts SOD Source
Author: Commodore
4 2779 Wed Aug 25, 2004 1:46 pm
IanFranken View latest post
 
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
   You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Copyright ©2003-2008 DieHard Wolfers
A Modified subBunker Theme by BrotherTank
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group