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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 6:52 pm
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Horst Wessel is the theme song for wolf3d
one of the reasons wolfenstein is band in Germany
be cuz Horst Wessel was the Nazi Party theme song.
anyway i have the original 1935 Horst Wessel on MP3

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just thought you would like to hear the original

it might still be copyrighted so you should e-mail Adolf to see if you can use it

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Because this song may be subject to copyright, the link has been removed. Please DO NOT post material on these boards that *may* be subject to copyright laws.
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Copyright issues - I have to remove it from server...

@BG, please read the rules in server I posted or I will stop host any of your files
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 7:58 am
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Re: SOME ADMIN WRONGFULLY EDITED MY TOPIC

"Horst Wessel wolf3d theme song"

Horst Wessel song is NOT copyrighted anymore the e-mail adolf thing was a joke adof hittler is dead
and Horst Wessel him self is dead any nazi german copyright does not apply in germany any more
so no copyright plz restore my topic Not Happy


I happily got a few PM's this morning, because the user in question (I can only assume), didn't bother to talk to the "Moderator" and figured it was best to report this moderation to me. I suggest that you re-read the forums rules. It clearly states that in the case of something like this that you PM the "Moderator" in question and try and resolve your problem. If it can't be resolved, then I or one of the "Admin" will make the final decision. It's pretty simple and I don't think it's too much to ask you to follow the procedures.

As for the song.... and Leo's removal of the link - I think he did the right thing at the time as while what you did say can be construed as a joke, the courts have recently recognised the copyright of the song "Lion Sleeps Tonight" to the family members of the original South African that wrote it. So... while what you say may be correct (I'm sure that both Horst and Adolph are dead), I can't say that the song itself does in fact, NOT have any copyright. But, on the other side of the coin, playing a song that has a copyright in a public way only requires that the source (ie: Radio, or whatever) pay royalties for the use of such material. As such a link to something like this, while a gray area, isn't necessarily a violation of copyright. It's not like it's mainstream, but the fact does remain that it is or was copyrighted at some time.

For what it is worth, I will say lighten up a little to the moderators, let things slide a little, but reign them in when they stray too far. And to the members, remember that if you have a problem with something a moderator has done - talk to the moderator first - if you aren't sure who did what - ask! And if the dispute can't be resolved between the two, then one of the Admins may be asked to resolve the situation.

In the end, I will say that when in doubt, I will side with the removal of such links because I have to protect the forums themselves. We wouldn't want the forums to be fined/removed and taken away from the community as a whole, because of copyright issues. That wouldn't be fair to the Admin, or the members of the forums.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 11:09 am
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If a band, group, or studio has reproduced the song, it is most likely subject to copyright. If there is a chance that this song is copyrighted, it is better to be safe than sorry, and I had to go with the former.

Also, my name was clearly stated saying that I was the one who edited your post, why did you not come to me?
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Horst Wessel died more then 70 years ago so

"This media file is in the public domain because its copyright has expired.
This applies to the United States, Canada, the European Union and those countries with a copyright term of life of the author plus 70 years." - Wikipedia, US copyright Law

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horst_Wessel

so there Cheesy Grin
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I have rights to protect my server by not hosting any files that been copyrighted like BT does.. Or otherwise they will shut my server down if they figured it out...

I already add new rules to my server for hosting these files, see this file what it show all means


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ack wrote:
One other thing to note, if I may...

Unless something has changed over the past couple of years, this song has been banned in Germany, Switzerland, and Austria. I honestly believe that if anyone is going to distribute this, then people should be warned that they could/would be breaking a law simply by downloading it.


Can I ask you for one question?

Does Horst Wesser still used in Wolfenstein 3d? if so, then it still under copyright by ID software.

That's what I just wondering about...
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HWSloppy wrote:
ack wrote:
One other thing to note, if I may...

Unless something has changed over the past couple of years, this song has been banned in Germany, Switzerland, and Austria. I honestly believe that if anyone is going to distribute this, then people should be warned that they could/would be breaking a law simply by downloading it.


Can I ask you for one question?

Does Horst Wesser still used in Wolfenstein 3d? if so, then it still under copyright by ID software.

That's what I just wondering about...


No, only the IMF would technically be under their copyright, not the specific song itself.
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TheTalentedMrLeo wrote:
HWSloppy wrote:
ack wrote:
One other thing to note, if I may...

Unless something has changed over the past couple of years, this song has been banned in Germany, Switzerland, and Austria. I honestly believe that if anyone is going to distribute this, then people should be warned that they could/would be breaking a law simply by downloading it.


Can I ask you for one question?

Does Horst Wesser still used in Wolfenstein 3d? if so, then it still under copyright by ID software.

That's what I just wondering about...


No, only the IMF would technically be under their copyright, not the specific song itself.


Oh well, thanks for information, but still waiting for information about copyright for Horst Wesser..
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well i got the song from a german site i for got the name .de
and a ton of other WWII stuff images music etc...
and anyway its no different then having wolf3d or hell Medal of Honor: Allied Assault Demo Rolling Eyes
on your site cuz its illegal in germany to.

because of Germany's law banning public displays of Nazism and the swastika

list of games illegal in germany
(1) Wolfenstein 3D & Spear of Destiny
(2) Return to Castle Wolfenstein
(3) Medal of Honor: Allied Assault
(4) Call of Duty
(5) Commandos: Beyond The Call of Duty etc...

there are censored versions of some games but not wolf3d/sod PC/MAC/JAG/AppleIIgs/etc...

ps. the song was a folk song made by german soldiers before WWI


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Thomas wrote:
Brown Guard wrote:
because of Germany's law banning public displays of Nazism and the swastika Not Happy


WHY is it a "not happy" smiley you're using because that nazism and swastika has been banned? The third reich is dead, EH!


That's what I thinking about and I don't know why he wrote the information along with unhappy smiley..
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sorry wrong smiley


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I thought he was just upset that Germany would ban those games which had such images, but I guess I was wrong.

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Exactly, which is what Germany wishes to do by censoring the stuff, IMO.
It's like saying you can't teach ancient Roman history because they killed Christians. I bet they show movies about that era in Italy...

However, this is getting off-topic. I always thought the Wolf3D theme was kind of catchy in a march sort of way.

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Agreed, and I think this thread needs to be closed if it still getting off-topic... Embarassed Wink
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first of all I DO NOT SUPPORT FASCIST OR NAZI'S OR ANY OTHER SUTCH THING'S
SO LAY OFF I JUST DON'T LIKE OTHER COUNTRIES CENSORING AND BANNING SUCH GREAT GAMES
LIKE: Wolf3d/SOD, Call of Duty, MOHAA, and Commandos Not Happy

and by the way a member of are family was in a Nazi concentration camp during the war

so knock it off Mad
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You don't live there as I notice the Flag in your profile is Canada, so don't worry about it..Geek
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Brown Guard wrote:
first of all I DO NOT SUPPORT FASCIST OR NAZI'S OR ANY OTHER SUTCH THING'S
SO LAY OFF I JUST DON'T LIKE OTHER COUNTRIES CENSORING AND BANNING SUCH GREAT GAMES
LIKE: Wolf3d/SOD, Call of Duty, MOHAA, and Commandos Not Happy

and by the way a member of are family was in a Nazi concentration camp during the war

so knock it off Mad



Easy there, Killer. Nobody here has accused you of supporting dictatorships. And for that matter, there's no need to fret over other what other countries do. Unless it affects you directly, and which this case it doesn't, don't worry about it. This my friend is what we call sovereignty.

Also, I don't see any bearing that last statement about a relative having been confined to a concentration camp has on this subject. Confused
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Relax Mr. Brown Guard, as it's seems you found the Brown Note! I just read back the thread and I don't see anyone accusing you of being a fascist. You seem to go off rather easily and read more into what is being said than what is actually said or accuse others of doing/saying things they haven't. By that I mean, that I read the thread and the last few comments as people questioning the laws put in place by certain countries to do what looks like erasing that part of history from their past and the possibility of accidently putting someone in a position of breaking a law. And I understand completely what Adam and others have said. I agree. While what the Nazi party did, and trust me I am in no way saying it was right because I don't agree with any of it, you can't just erase what has happened.

And other than that... Relax... And when something does get under your skin, go back and read the thread from the start and you may just find that you are taking things out of context. Then if you feel the need to respond, by all means... Just a helpful hint.

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Thomas wrote:
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because of Germany's law banning public displays of Nazism and the swastika Not Happy


WHY is it a "not happy" smiley you're using because that nazism and swastika has been banned? The third reich is dead, EH!


sorry to seem mad but it seemed to me that you are suggesting i'am soft to nazism thats y
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Brown Guard wrote:
Thomas wrote:
Brown Guard wrote:
because of Germany's law banning public displays of Nazism and the swastika Not Happy


WHY is it a "not happy" smiley you're using because that nazism and swastika has been banned? The third reich is dead, EH!


sorry to seem mad but it seemed to me that you are suggesting i'am soft to nazism thats y


I can tell you right now that he wasn't being serious. I don't know why or how you thought he was. Shrug
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HWSloppy wrote:
You don't live there as I notice the Flag in your profile is Canada, so don't worry about it..Geek

You do know how many "Nazis" live in the USA? Wink

My grandfather was a soldier on a motorbike in the east. I guess he was lucky that a splinter granade hit his head, so he was taken back to Germany and survived this way. Being seriouly wounded was quite a good life insurance, if you survived the wound...
But that splinter stayed in his brain for all his life.

About that law stuff: I have no idea, what's with those laws concerning playing such music in Germany. Hmm, well, I know that one strophe of our national anthem is illegal and may not be played in public, although it originally wasn't meant at all in the way the Nazis used it ("Deutschland, Deutschland über alles, über alles in der Welt" - "Germany, Germany above everything, above everything in the world". Originally it meant just something like "home sweet home"...)

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Thomas wrote:
Nazism or Neo-Nazism is NOT forbidden in Denmark. Nearly everything is legal here (as you know)...and it's really not that cool. If the F-word is used, there's no censour, and then the government and the people are complaining about their behaviour.

There was a nazi-radio here once. It closed after....let's see...13 years. Pretty lame, huh? It should've been closed the second it started! All kinds of National Socialism should be forbidden everywhere in the world!!! If you don't agree with that, come to Denmark. Here you can shoot somebody and spend two years in jail! Evil or Very Mad

BTW, I never heard "Horst Wessel Leid" except for RTCW (With song and music) and Wolf3D. I think some of the nazi-propaganda, Hitlerjugend and such are illegal all over the world.


man that must suck an yes Socialism should be forbidden everywhere in the world!
in Canada a nazi-radio would be closed the nano-second it started
and you can shoot somebody and spend less then two years in jail here to ,sad hey Sad
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Another sad-related smileys again, please stop using same smileys again Razz
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