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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 5:38 am
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As I edit SOD in Flo Edit, I frequently notice that there are some pictures of the bosses with blue backgrounds under the "images" section I think it is. What are these from? Is this some kind of left over artwork from a shareware demo or something? The only reason I ask is because I'd considered replacing them with images to be referred to in my in between level text, and wanted to make sure they didn't appear anywhere else where they would look stupid... Mr Green

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 9:47 am
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Those pictures are used for the 'name this boss' questions on the copy protection question screen.
If you're skipping this, then they should be free to change.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 10:31 am
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My current version doesn't get that screen, so I guess I don't need to worry about it... Confused

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 2:00 pm
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Get the EXE from The Lost Episodes to get that screen

EDIT: oops sorry, Im under Sockmans Windows XP name, so Im on his forum name, its actually Sockdude saying above. Embarassed

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Eh...why would I want that screen? Sounds like a pain in the...er...keister? Confused

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2003 6:00 am
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Sockman wrote:
Get the EXE from The Lost Episodes to get that screen

So only the FormGen SOD collection with the two 'lost' episodes have the copy protection screen?

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From what I've seen, all version of the Spear.exe that are marked with V1.4 (on the intro screen) have the copy protection screen installed; while all the others that are marked with V1.0 do not. So, my guess is that Majik Monkee has V1.0, and the rest of you have V1.4. Smile

The lost episodes also, but not exclusivly, use the V1.4 exe (many of the newer floppy/CD releases of the Spear first episode do too). I've heard that Activision is still distributing SOD with the V1.0 release, but haven't seen any evidence if this is true or not. If you guys could clarify where you got your copy of Spear from, it would be nice (just out of playful curiosity) so that we could all figure out exactly which versions were released to each box set / distributors.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2003 8:19 am
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I have v1.4 and I got it on a FormGen CD release with the 2 lost episodes.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 3:28 pm
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V. 1.4 only has copy protection? But the soource code always comes with the latest SoD. Well, to save EXE memory delete everything with the copy protection "STR_" too. I got my exe to drop 10KB! Those copy protection images can be used to expand weapons.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 12:47 am
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They have one of these in Commander Keen 5 I think. You have to name the Alien then it lets you enter the game! Is this wot ur talking about???

I think it's kooL!!!

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what do you mean Majik Monkee? Question
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*me is very confused

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yes I know
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What exactly do you need to know, wolf3dfan?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 6:09 pm
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@wolfenstein3d fan: In some versions of SOD there are pictures of some bosses in the VGAGRAPH file... these pictures are used in a copyright-protection screen that is done at the startup. Majik Monkee was just wondering why some sprites were in the VGAGRAPH and the VSWAP.

Hopefully that clears everything up.

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Yep...and in reply to where I got my copy, I can't tell you. I can only say this...I purchased both original Wolf and SOD several years ago when they were semi new still, and when I went to college, the disks were stored in my parents basement, where they were water damaged. I tried using them, and they "gunked up" my A:, and I had to take it apart to get it working again. Rather than buy the games again when I'd purchased them once already, I acquired them from a helpful individual who understood my plight. Therefore, I can't really answer that question in an educated way...sorry! I more or less have my answer now, except I don't know why they'd include those graphics when they didn't use them for my version. Some folks who tested HOS though did get the question screen, which I've never gotten myself...strange... Think

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Right, I'm going to clarify everything "Spear - related" now:

Spear original release - 1.0 - with copy protection screen.

Spear second release - 1.4 - with copy protection screen.

The same for the mission packs - one release for 1.0, and another for 1.4 and with copy protection.

Spear Super CD Pack - 1.0 - all three same version and without the copy protection screen. A second release, 1.4, did feature copy protection screens.

Activision "All in one re - release":

Spear - 1.4 - the latest Spear .exe. Modified in '98, and without copy protection.

Mission packs - 1.0 - both without copy protection.

All this information is based on the versions I have owned. I apologise for any errors, but I am pretty sure that this is accurate.

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sentenced wrote:
Spear Super CD Pack - 1.0 - all three same version and without the copy protection screen.

I have this with the copy protection screen, but mine says Spear v1.4.

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Adam Biser wrote:
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Spear Super CD Pack - 1.0 - all three same version and without the copy protection screen.

I have this with the copy protection screen, but mine says Spear v1.4.


Wow, Another version I am not familiar with! Thanks for bringing it to my attention, Adam. My previous post is now updated.

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I have the Activision Value release (Wolf 3D, SOD, Lost Episodes) and I don't have the copy protection screen. I'm glad too, I hate those screens, I have a few other games with them.
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From what I understand, there are two versions of 1.4 for SOD that I've seen. I'll call them 1.4A and 1.4B to make things less confusing.

Version 1.4B has the "Out Of Memory!" errors fixed, as well as a Pushwall-related bug fixed on Floor 2. This bug turned a ceiling light into a solid object if you pushed one particular Pushwall nearby. The ceiling light can still be "picked up" and removed from the Objects List in both versions.

Note that in every version of Wolf3D that I've used, this bug was never fixed.

The Spear EXE file without the copy protection was - as far as I know - not an official release. It's actually an unauthorized crack. What?
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Speaking of strange pictures, why the colors of the some pictures (when editing with Chaos Edit and FloEdit) are messed up? For example the pic, where BJ stands in front of desk and is saluting the President or whatever the greenhair guy is. Razz
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Answer is simple... Those pictures use different palettes.
The palettes those pictures use is saved in VGAGraph file and they can be
changed with WDC for example... You just need to replace those
"palettechuncks" with others.

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Anyone notice that some of the bosses names won't fit in the "Guess the name" thing. (such as Death Knight)
I think you have to spell it deathnite or somthing.

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